14.03.2010 - 'The Wolfman' by Joe Johnston

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Remake of the classic horror film, 'The Wolf Man' (1941), which became one of Benicio Del Toro's favourite films as a young man. You find sexual tension, coming of age, gothic romance and all that in it. Apparently it's not that scary with Del Toro, looking like a teddy bear. Phew, I'm not too worried now ^^;;;

Even a man who is pure in heart

and says his prayers by night

may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms

and the autumn moon is bright.

Meeting Log
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey gaya

Calvino Rabeni: Hi again, Gaya

Aurora Kitaj: Hi Gaya, nice to see you

Gaya Ethaniel: Nice to see you too :)

Aurora Kitaj: Hi Dao

Aurora Kitaj: didn't see you there

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Dao :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Shall we start? So today, we will tak about Wolfman.

Calvino Rabeni: I must go - not here for cinema - time for RL cafe :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye cal :)

Dao Yheng: bye!

Aurora Kitaj: bye there Cal

Aurora Kitaj: waves

Gaya Ethaniel: I was disappinted ... have you seen it yet?

Calvino Rabeni: thanks, bye all

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was also very disappointed by the moovie

Gaya Ethaniel: In what ways Yaku?

Yakuzza Lethecus: the story itself seemed so flat

Yakuzza Lethecus: he was bitten and turned to a werewolf his father turned out to be one too

Yakuzza Lethecus: which wasn´t even a suprise somehow

Yakuzza Lethecus: i can´t explain it it really played with many stereotypes

Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I wasn't feel very much involved in the characters at all though acting was good overall.

Aurora Kitaj: hi Timbo, just noticed you

Timbo Quan: Hi Aurora

Yakuzza Lethecus: the ,,stupid" <- lol doctor who used his methods to analyse wolfman could have been out of a 3rd class movie as well

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Also there wasn't much ups/downs in terms of how the story was depicted. I went like uh ... werewolf behind you but not really feeling scared or worried. I think the special effects how they were used was a big let down.

Gaya Ethaniel: It looked like a mini king kong?!

Gaya Ethaniel: In a overcoat of course ...

Yakuzza Lethecus: and not even a very creative one

Gaya Ethaniel: It looked like as though they were creating the original version with better hair ...

Gaya Ethaniel: Much talents wasted ...

Dao Yheng: It's funny how remakes are often better when the people involved don't really like the original

Yakuzza Lethecus: they didn´t even try to present him really as an actor, even the story that his brother died was flat

Gaya Ethaniel: Give us an example Dao?

Dao Yheng: thinking of Battlestar Galactica

Yakuzza Lethecus: i liked, the old :)

Dao Yheng: then again, there was the remake of psycho which was shot for shot the same...

Yakuzza Lethecus: with dirk benedict

Dao Yheng: :) My sister did too!

Timbo Quan: Series 1 of the original BSG was ok

Yakuzza Lethecus: but not the 3rd season on earth

Yakuzza Lethecus: that was crap

Gaya Ethaniel: I prefer the original BSG ...

Timbo Quan: (hang on - have you ever seen the original!? )

Dao Yheng: the actual original? With the robot dog?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes

Timbo Quan: yes

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Betz, welcome :) Please see http://mise-en-scene.wikia.com/ for more info.

Gaya Ethaniel: Yes :)

Betz Darwinian: tks

Yakuzza Lethecus: where baltar was the only ,,human" cylon

Gaya Ethaniel: I like the funny ballon in 'Dark Star' ... I can overlook bad special effects ok ^^;;;

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes :)

Gaya Ethaniel: The TV series BSG went downhill after the first season for me.

Timbo Quan: and the original smart bomb

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Dao Yheng: the first season was the best, but any episode was better than the casino planet episode, don't you think?

Timbo Quan: (thats the new one Gaya ?)

Gaya Ethaniel: I haven't seen Psycho, both versions ... I get easily spooked :P

Timbo Quan: I don't think Gaya has seen all of the original BSG episodes

Gaya Ethaniel: I really worked up a lot of courage choosing Wolfman, mind you.

Dao Yheng: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: I saw the film I think, old BSG.

Timbo Quan: yes thats right now rememeber Gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: :P

Yakuzza Lethecus: i really liked lorne greene

Yakuzza Lethecus: and dirk benedict

Timbo Quan: hes was good

Dao Yheng: :)))

Timbo Quan: though new one is good too actually

Yakuzza Lethecus: but after A-Team i never like watching that guy again

Gaya Ethaniel: So we have many Sci-Fi fans here *makes a mental note*

Dao Yheng: What attracted you to wolfman, Gaya?

Timbo Quan: as long as you add teh Forever War when it comes out aeverything will be OK

Yakuzza Lethecus: what about tv shows like ,,the pacific" ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: which will start airing today i think ?`

Gaya Ethaniel: Del Toro, I was very taken with him since I saw 'The Usual Suspect'. And I was trying to choose a variety incl. horror ... fantasy horror isn't too bad for me :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Unfortunately I don't watch much TV ...

Timbo Quan: probably not out in the UK yet anyway

Gaya Ethaniel: That reminds me Dao, we need to come up with something for June/July.

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, will be on HBO in the first place

Gaya Ethaniel: I chose 'Ghost Writer' for May unless objections. Not sure about June/July yet ...

Gaya Ethaniel: I don't have cable ^^;;; just watch BBC here and there ...

Dao Yheng: I've been wanting to see the Ghost Writer, sounds great

Gaya Ethaniel: Or come in SL :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Great!

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Gaya :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Agatha :)

Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I'm late

Gaya Ethaniel: Well ... big thumbs down on Wolfman?

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi aga :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yaku

Timbo Quan: it was an ok movie but nothing special - not something you would remember

Gaya Ethaniel: Have any of you seen the original?

Yakuzza Lethecus: no

Timbo Quan: no

Yakuzza Lethecus: i didn´t even knew that there was an old one

Agatha Macbeth: Is that the Lon Chaney one?

Dao Yheng: there are a lot of werewolf movies

Gaya Ethaniel: I think it's pretty famous - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolf_Man_%281941_film%29

Gaya Ethaniel: I heard American Werewolf was good?

Agatha Macbeth looks it up

Alfred Kelberry: oi :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi alf

Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, thought so

Alfred Kelberry: where did gaya the kitty go? :)

Agatha Macbeth: Yes I loved that

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Alfred :)

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Alf

Gaya Ethaniel: It's there, maybe rezzing slowly.

Agatha Macbeth grins

Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: i haven't seen this one

Gaya Ethaniel: For me, this werewolf concept is very strange. I can't think of any equivalent idea with full moon in Asia.

Gaya Ethaniel: Very interesting ...

Agatha Macbeth: They don't have full moons in Asia?

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Alfred Kelberry: oh, you discuss the cultural similarities?

Dao Yheng: Hmm, so no stories about the full moon's strange effects?

Agatha Macbeth: O.O

Gaya Ethaniel: No ... just nice, full Moon days are joyful occassions usually.

Agatha Macbeth: Ah

Agatha Macbeth: Wow

Gaya Ethaniel: In August full Moon is the harvest day in Korea, the second biggest festival as in China Full Moon Day.

Gaya Ethaniel: So for me it's a very interesting concept.

Agatha Macbeth nods

Dao Yheng: it's a little bit sad too though, no? The lovers separated but looking at the moon?

Gaya Ethaniel: Lovers?

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds familiar

Dao Yheng: In at least an american chinese version of the mythology, there are two young people who are in love but must be separated by distance

Dao Yheng: so they make a promise to look at the full moon and remember each other

Gaya Ethaniel: ah that's 7th of July ... in Korea

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I've heard that story somewhere before

Alfred Kelberry: dao, oh, that reminded me of sleepless in seattle :)

Gaya Ethaniel: They meet over a bridge made in the sky by birds once a year ... but not about full Moon :)

Alfred Kelberry: or something like that

Gaya Ethaniel: How interesting what full Moon provokes in each of us!

Agatha Macbeth: Especially if you're a werewolf! :)

Dao Yheng: :)

Aurora Kitaj: hi Agatha :)

Alfred Kelberry: the last thing i think of werewolfs :)

Agatha Macbeth: (Wonder what it does to Gilles?)

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Agatha Macbeth: Hello!

Aurora Kitaj: Giles should be here!

Alfred Kelberry: aga, totally nothing :)

Aurora Kitaj: Gilles

Yakuzza Lethecus: lol

Agatha Macbeth: How you know Alf?

Gaya Ethaniel: I will ask him next time I see him.

Gaya Ethaniel: Gilles is a blackwolf if you haven't seen him around yet Dao.

Alfred Kelberry: he's a seasoned philosopher. some full moon can't affect him.

Agatha Macbeth: With attitude....

Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe he´s a lycan and can decide what i likes to be :)

Agatha Macbeth: Could be

Gaya Ethaniel: Guys I'm sorry for the choice this month but I did ask so please make sure to let me know of your suggestions.

Alfred Kelberry: is as japanese version of a werewolf would be godzilla?

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Dao Yheng: :)

Aurora Kitaj: lol

Agatha Macbeth: ???

Gaya Ethaniel: Don't think Godzilla turns back to human

Agatha Macbeth: Don't think he ever was human...

Alfred Kelberry: er, yes... didn't think of this part :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ee aw!

Alfred Kelberry: but i mean as a concept

Gaya Ethaniel: Do you think people in general feel that monsters live inside us?

Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes!

Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, maybe hulk as a science style werewolf

Agatha Macbeth: Freud certainly did

Alfred Kelberry: oh, i like hulk much better

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: sure not a wolf but ,,men mutating to monster under some condition"

Dao Yheng: Maybe it is a western thing -- separation between civilized and animal nature

Gaya Ethaniel: ah

Gaya Ethaniel: No responsibilities attached to it hence?

Agatha Macbeth: I think it originated in eastern Europe

Dao Yheng: did it?

Dao Yheng: can you say more about that?

Gaya Ethaniel: Greece I'd have thought?

Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, or did western writers just locate it there :)

Alfred Kelberry: dracula stuff?

Agatha Macbeth: The word 'vorvolaka' rings a bell

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, werewolves and vampires are often associated

Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrykolakas

Alfred Kelberry: aga, sounds like a dracula cousin :)

Agatha Macbeth: That's it Gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: I think in China, they have zombie concept.

Alfred Kelberry: really?

Yakuzza Lethecus hates zombie movies except ,,zombieland"

Gaya Ethaniel: In Korea we just have ghosts looking like the character in 'Ring'.

Alfred Kelberry: oh, ring was cool

Gaya Ethaniel: ex - http://images2.iwilab.com/shared/item/0/55/55169_500x.jpg

Alfred Kelberry: the original

Alfred Kelberry: haha

Alfred Kelberry: gaya :)

Agatha Macbeth can't follow all these links

Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure how to pronounce in Chinese but it's called Gangshi.

Agatha Macbeth: Like Babylonian Edimmu

Alfred Kelberry: gah, i'd rather get back to a lovely moon :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, aga

Yakuzza Lethecus: didn´t know that those concecpts lead even back to the sumerian mythology

Alfred Kelberry: btw, http://lmrk.me/lm/80 ;)

Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it seems to be a fairly constant archetype

Agatha Macbeth: in many cultures

Gaya Ethaniel: Do any of you get affected by the cycle of Moon?

Timbo Quan: Only if I have not had my fill of blood

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Dao Yheng: :)

Alfred Kelberry: [gaya, as for suggestions... how about litle miss sunshine? a totally cool movie]

Agatha Macbeth: The only way the moon affects me is just looking at it. I think she's beautiful :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t think about the moon and i notice nothing special but i remember my parants telling me that i was sleepwalking on a full moon often

Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok Alfred, we try to choose what's showing currently in cinema -- is this too difficult to accomplish for each month?

Yakuzza Lethecus: when i was little

Agatha Macbeth looks at Yaku's teeth

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Alfred Kelberry: gya, oh yes... you like the buzz :) it's surely doable :)

Aurora Kitaj: sorry have to go now

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye arurora

Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)

Agatha Macbeth: Bye Aurora

Aurora Kitaj: thanks so much for letting me joing the group to listen in

Aurora Kitaj: waves

Alfred Kelberry: glad you came by, aurora

Aurora Kitaj: so am i

Gaya Ethaniel: Maybe next month, I will turn to a werewolf ta da.

Alfred Kelberry: uh oh :)

Alfred Kelberry: more like into a cute bunny ;)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

Dao Yheng: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: were bunny

Alfred Kelberry: haha

Agatha Macbeth: Werecat?

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Dao Yheng: vorpal bunny?

Agatha Macbeth: 2D version natch

Alfred Kelberry: i wonder how this one looks like :)

Gaya Ethaniel: lol

Gaya Ethaniel: I am reminded of Wallace and Gromit.

Agatha Macbeth: You are?

Alfred Kelberry: em, is it from the rings?

Yakuzza Lethecus: lol

Gaya Ethaniel: Well, are there any films you plan to see over next couple of months?

Yakuzza Lethecus: or from monty python

Yakuzza Lethecus: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Alfred Kelberry: shutter island

Dao Yheng: oh, that might be an interesting one

Alfred Kelberry: this one promises to be good

Gaya Ethaniel: Great, let's put that one in. Hope you don't mind watching then come back here to discuss a little while later.

Yakuzza Lethecus: what ?

Agatha Macbeth: Per favor?

Gaya Ethaniel: Shutter Island

Alfred Kelberry: this is why we're all here, gaya :)

Alfred Kelberry: aga, qua pasa amigos? :)

Agatha Macbeth: Is that the name of the film Gaya?

Alfred Kelberry: yes, aga

Alfred Kelberry: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1130884/

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right

Gaya Ethaniel: Very hard to find something that releases more or less same time across the world unless blockbusters like Avatar.

Alfred Kelberry: another link for you :)

Agatha Macbeth: DOH!!!

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Scorsese

Alfred Kelberry: well, shutter island is big too. or so it seems.

Yakuzza Lethecus: it got good critics in the imdb

Alfred Kelberry: yes, this special bond of scorsese + dicaprio

Agatha Macbeth: Didn't know Max von Sydow was still alive!

Agatha Macbeth: Wow

Dao Yheng: He must be one of those guys who looks old, even when young -- like William Burroughs

Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed

Gaya Ethaniel: Would you be interested in 'Last Station'?

Agatha Macbeth: Who's William Burroughs?

Alfred Kelberry: yes, please

Yakuzza Lethecus: i loved Leaves Of Grass

Gaya Ethaniel: About Tolstoi ...

Agatha Macbeth: Tolstoi?

Alfred Kelberry: this title is on my list too

Agatha Macbeth: When did he come in to it?

Gaya Ethaniel: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0824758/

Agatha Macbeth sighs

Gaya Ethaniel: It came out recently in UK, not sure about where you are.

Agatha Macbeth: In the UK :)

Agatha Macbeth: Now that looks good

Gaya Ethaniel: Or Ponyo ... I'm sure this was out in US ages ago?

Dao Yheng: It was, but I loved it and would see it again :)

Gaya Ethaniel: ok :)

Gaya Ethaniel: I will have a look at dates for the three films and readjust on wiki.

Gaya Ethaniel: Will send a notice :)

Agatha Macbeth: ty

Gaya Ethaniel: Alright, think we'd better wrap.

Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry about Wolfman, I will have a word with him next full moon.

Agatha Macbeth left her wrap in the wardrobe

Alfred Kelberry: aga, you look pretty wrappy in this outfit :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks for coming, hope to see you next month about Alice!

Agatha Macbeth: Glad you didn't say 'crappy' :)

Agatha Macbeth: Ah good

Agatha Macbeth: Look forward to that :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Gaya Ethaniel waves.

Alfred Kelberry: bye all